Students swap Bibles……
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hummm sounds like this group is doing the nasty just like the religions they are all condemning.
Soliciting literature. I guess if you can't beat em, join em. They are becoming more an organized religion everyday. ![]()
I wonder where they are getting this literature from, perhaps donations?
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Being a mod makes you more comfortable to say whatever you want, huh? Keep swapping.
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They would enjoy a lot more if you add some delicious pork barbecue and chops as appetizers.
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“The One we are waiting for and the One we have been looking for is already here, and has been for a long time. You are the spiritual being you have been searching to find.” ---Dr. John-Roger
How does your religion give you peace, joy and love if you are very easily offended or angered by very petty things like food or drink? How does your religion give you freedom to know and develop your own intelligence choice if your God dictates what you should or should not eat or drink? Think about it!
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“The One we are waiting for and the One we have been looking for is already here, and has been for a long time. You are the spiritual being you have been searching to find.” ---Dr. John-Roger
How does your religion give you peace, joy and love if you are very easily offended or angered by very petty things like food or drink? How does your religion give you freedom to know and develop your own intelligence choice if your God dictates what you should or should not eat or drink? Think about it!
ONE...I think you mis-understood Randell. He isnt saying anything about being offended by food or drink. I think he is offended by a moderator that is ridiculing, that which he deems sacred.
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Hey Fuzzy... 90%? Perhaps... sad. Anyways, I dont think Randall was offended by the mention of beer. He took it as an attack on the Quaran. Thats the point I was trying to make to One.
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Well.....like for like. I must say, i do appreciate the statement being made with this little campaign. ![]()
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"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein
How does your religion give you peace, joy and love if you are very easily offended or angered by very petty things like food or drink? How does your religion give you freedom to know and develop your own intelligence choice if your God dictates what you should or should not eat or drink? Think about it!
How? If you could understand that, you would pray five times a day, just like we do. ![]()
This is not about offending or what we eat or drink. This is about showing respect or not each other's belief. For instance, if I say something bad about your athaeism, you probably will write a long paragraph just for a retaliation. But you always using bad words about other's beliefs. Who gave you this right?
If you feel more free just by drinking or eating whatever you want, go ahead.
If this is a problem for you, just let us manage this and mind your own business.
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I'm disappointed...not one Che Guevara t-shit or a beret in sight.
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This is not about offending or what we eat or drink. This is about showing respect or not each other's belief. For instance, if I say something bad about your athaeism, you probably will write a long paragraph just for a retaliation. But you always using bad words about other's beliefs. Who gave you this right? The act of praying 5 times shows that you are just following like a parrot and do not really understand God.
If you feel more free just by drinking or eating whatever you want, go ahead.
If this is a problem for you, just let us manage this and mind your own business.
Don't you see the stupidity of it? Why should you pray 5 times and keep on repeating the same things over and over? Is your God deaf and stupid that he cannot hear you the very first time you pray? Why can't you maintain a prayerful heart and mind 24 hours a day, even in your sleep you do not lose contact with your own being?
Religions create all kinds of bondages by giving rituals and laws. It is not freedom because freedom would be you are always in contact with your God and even prayer would not be necessary.
I respect the individual and not the masks and labels that are binding him. These are all false and temporary. This is not YOU. The real YOU is more free and in touch with reality.
You cannot say anything bad about my atheism because I am not a atheist. I am not saying bad words about your beliefs. They are false and I am showing you how false they are if you will open your eyes to see. You are more dependent on your scriptures than yourself that is why you get offended when somebody ridicules your scripture, isn't it? If you were really religious you cannot get offended or feel ridicule because you do not depend on anybody or anything except yourself. You can even laugh when people ridicule you. You know that this is not the real you that they see.
My rights comes from myself and not from some fictional God and fictional scripture that you think comes from God. The real God would teach you to love yourself and become dependent and responsible for yourself instead of praying 5 times and reading the same scriptures over and over.
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“The One we are waiting for and the One we have been looking for is already here, and has been for a long time. You are the spiritual being you have been searching to find.” ---Dr. John-Roger
I am showing how no scripture can really make you free in the present moment. They are all false and you have made your mind so low and degrading that you cannot survive without reading and quoting the scriptures.
Scriptures cause a person to degrade and humiliate himself because that is the only way that he can become dependent. It has to create sin, guilt and fear to entice the people. It is only when you lose self-respect and self-responsibility that you become a slave to scriptures.
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“The One we are waiting for and the One we have been looking for is already here, and has been for a long time. You are the spiritual being you have been searching to find.” ---Dr. John-Roger
I am showing how no scripture can really make you free in the present moment. They are all false and you have made your mind so low and degrading that you cannot survive without reading and quoting the scriptures.
Scriptures cause a person to degrade and humiliate himself because that is the only way that he can become dependent. It has to create sin, guilt and fear to entice the people. It is only when you lose self-respect and self-responsibility that you become a slave to scriptures.
People have found the truth they are seeking in the scriptures they follow, who are you to say they are false, degrading and people are low minded to follow them. It is more degrading and disrespectful of oneself to try to hurt others with your words about their lives. People seek the truth for their own lives and when they find it in a way that they are joyful, peaceful and hopeful, no one has the right to say they are wrong, stupid or lack self-responsibility because their ways are not your ways.
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Prejudice is a burden that confuses the past, threatens the future and renders the present inaccessible.
People have found the truth they are seeking in the scriptures they follow, who are you to say they are false, degrading and people are low minded to follow them. It is more degrading and disrespectful of oneself to try to hurt others with your words about their lives. People seek the truth for their own lives and when they find it in a way that they are joyful, peaceful and hopeful, no one has the right to say they are wrong, stupid or lack self-responsibility because their ways are not your ways.
It will show if their words encourage and help to unite everyone towards a single goal instead of showing a limited and confining kind of thinking and dependence.
A joyful, peaceful and hopeful person will have found it within himself so that it is always there and not dependent on prayers and scriptures. Scriptures point to the truth but it cannot make you realize and live the truth. That is something you have to cultivate by your own self.
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“The One we are waiting for and the One we have been looking for is already here, and has been for a long time. You are the spiritual being you have been searching to find.” ---Dr. John-Roger
People have found the truth they are seeking in the scriptures they follow, who are you to say they are false, degrading and people are low minded to follow them. It is more degrading and disrespectful of oneself to try to hurt others with your words about their lives. People seek the truth for their own lives and when they find it in a way that they are joyful, peaceful and hopeful, no one has the right to say they are wrong, stupid or lack self-responsibility because their ways are not your ways.
It will show if their words encourage and help to unite everyone towards a single goal instead of showing a limited and confining kind of thinking and dependence.
. . .That is something you have to cultivate by your own self.
My, my how you contradict yourself. It is okay to cultivate things on your own as long as it conforms to your way of thinking.....which you deny, then reaffirm..... You can keep your babble all for yourself.
-Bruce
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"Faith is Action, Based upon Belief, Sustained by Confidence in God's Word and His promise to perform it" ---Dr. Gene Scott
"If you have a God given talent, that is God’s gift to you. If you use that
talent, that is your gift to God." -- Red Skelton
"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -- Nathaniel Branden
Don't you see the stupidity of it? Why should you pray 5 times and keep on repeating the same things over and over?
Stupidity? A rather ignorant statement if I ever saw one, especially coming from someone who has tried to justify murder. Besides, didn't you just say people had to find their own way?? Rather hypocritical of you, I'd say!
Who says he repeats the same things over and over?
Once again, you've clearly demonstrated that everything is wonderful, as long as we think the way you do and if not, we are treated impunity by you. Yeah, baby, way to live a higher life - although it is becoming clear that "higher" = arrogant.
-Bruce
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"Faith is Action, Based upon Belief, Sustained by Confidence in God's Word and His promise to perform it" ---Dr. Gene Scott
"If you have a God given talent, that is God’s gift to you. If you use that
talent, that is your gift to God." -- Red Skelton
"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -- Nathaniel Branden
I noticed one glaring omission from this report: they didn't say that they had any legitimate takers.
-Bruce
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"Faith is Action, Based upon Belief, Sustained by Confidence in God's Word and His promise to perform it" ---Dr. Gene Scott
"If you have a God given talent, that is God’s gift to you. If you use that
talent, that is your gift to God." -- Red Skelton
"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -- Nathaniel Branden
This is not about offending or what we eat or drink. This is about showing respect or not each other's belief. For instance, if I say something bad about your athaeism, you probably will write a long paragraph just for a retaliation. But you always using bad words about other's beliefs. Who gave you this right? The act of praying 5 times shows that you are just following like a parrot and do not really understand God.
If you feel more free just by drinking or eating whatever you want, go ahead.
If this is a problem for you, just let us manage this and mind your own business.
Don't you see the stupidity of it? Why should you pray 5 times and keep on repeating the same things over and over? Is your God deaf and stupid that he cannot hear you the very first time you pray? Why can't you maintain a prayerful heart and mind 24 hours a day, even in your sleep you do not lose contact with your own being?
Religions create all kinds of bondages by giving rituals and laws. It is not freedom because freedom would be you are always in contact with your God and even prayer would not be necessary.
I respect the individual and not the masks and labels that are binding him. These are all false and temporary. This is not YOU. The real YOU is more free and in touch with reality.
You cannot say anything bad about my atheism because I am not a atheist. I am not saying bad words about your beliefs. They are false and I am showing you how false they are if you will open your eyes to see. You are more dependent on your scriptures than yourself that is why you get offended when somebody ridicules your scripture, isn't it? If you were really religious you cannot get offended or feel ridicule because you do not depend on anybody or anything except yourself. You can even laugh when people ridicule you. You know that this is not the real you that they see.
My rights comes from myself and not from some fictional God and fictional scripture that you think comes from God. The real God would teach you to love yourself and become dependent and responsible for yourself instead of praying 5 times and reading the same scriptures over and over.
As I said before, YOU responsed with a long paragraph. ![]()
First of all, I'd like to thank YOU very much for concerning about me, brother. But I am free enough, don't worry. I just wonder how dare YOU judging people that way? YOU think YOU are smarter than the others? I wish I had more time to chat with YOU, but I'm a little bit busy, sorry.
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I am not judging you just making you think WHY you are doing the things you are doing instead of doing it unconsciously and out of habit. Majority of people do things ignorantly because they have conditioned themselves and no longer ask why. They have lost the use of common sense.
You did not answer my question but I hope you will think about it.
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“The One we are waiting for and the One we have been looking for is already here, and has been for a long time. You are the spiritual being you have been searching to find.” ---Dr. John-Roger
I am not judging you just making you think WHY you are doing the things you are doing instead of doing it unconsciously and out of habit. Majority of people do things ignorantly because they have conditioned themselves and no longer ask why. They have lost the use of common sense.
You did not answer my question but I hope you will think about it.
By calling someone's practices stupid, you are indeed passing judgment on them. You've been called on this deliberate blind spot of your over and over again.
-Bruce
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"Faith is Action, Based upon Belief, Sustained by Confidence in God's Word and His promise to perform it" ---Dr. Gene Scott
"If you have a God given talent, that is God’s gift to you. If you use that
talent, that is your gift to God." -- Red Skelton
"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -- Nathaniel Branden
By calling someone's practices stupid, you are indeed passing judgment on them. You've been called on this deliberate blind spot of your over and over again.
-Bruce
Let him ask himself why is it necessary to follow some ritual or is he doing it blindly. Majority of people do some kind of ritual without really thinking about it or understanding it. I have seen a lot of it amongst many kind of religious people. It is not wrong only it is not done without much thought and most of the time it is mechanical because of repetition.
If he cannot understand and look at his robotic rituals then that is not my problem. Why would you need rituals of praying 5 times a day if God is really in your heart and mind? Does God need to be reminded of what you need? All prayers are for the self not for God. You get consolation by praying to some God and begging or reminding him to do something for you. Maybe reminding him that you exist in case he forgot.
For me a authentic religious person is one is prayerful 24/7 and not one who prays over and over or needs some special church, mosque, temple or synagogue in order to communicate with his God. He does not have to bend in a particular way or fold his hands or make a sign in order to show God that he is praying to him.
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“The One we are waiting for and the One we have been looking for is already here, and has been for a long time. You are the spiritual being you have been searching to find.” ---Dr. John-Roger
By calling someone's practices stupid, you are indeed passing judgment on them. You've been called on this deliberate blind spot of your over and over again.
-Bruce
Let him ask himself why is it necessary to follow some ritual or is he doing it blindly. Majority of people do some kind of ritual without really thinking about it or understanding it. I have seen a lot of it amongst many kind of religious people. It is not wrong only it is not done without much thought and most of the time it is mechanical because of repetition.
If he cannot understand and look at his robotic rituals then that is not my problem. Why would you need rituals of praying 5 times a day if God is really in your heart and mind? Does God need to be reminded of what you need? All prayers are for the self not for God. You get consolation by praying to some God and begging or reminding him to do something for you. Maybe reminding him that you exist in case he forgot.
For me a authentic religious person is one is prayerful 24/7 and not one who prays over and over or needs some special church, mosque, temple or synagogue in order to communicate with his God. He does not have to bend in a particular way or fold his hands or make a sign in order to show God that he is praying to him.
Everyone in life follows rituals, ways of life, traditions, many times to try to lead the best life possible in their own judgement. They are not stupid, dumb or unwise. This is 'their' choice to follow their beliefs the way they want to.
Just like it was your choice to marry, in your tradition. Don't tell people they are blind, unless you take that blindfold off yourself.
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Prejudice is a burden that confuses the past, threatens the future and renders the present inaccessible.
By calling someone's practices stupid, you are indeed passing judgment on them. You've been called on this deliberate blind spot of your over and over again.
-Bruce
Let him ask himself why is it necessary to follow some ritual or is he doing it blindly. Majority of people do some kind of ritual without really thinking about it or understanding it. I have seen a lot of it amongst many kind of religious people. It is not wrong only it is not done without much thought and most of the time it is mechanical because of repetition.
If he cannot understand and look at his robotic rituals then that is not my problem. Why would you need rituals of praying 5 times a day if God is really in your heart and mind? Does God need to be reminded of what you need? All prayers are for the self not for God. You get consolation by praying to some God and begging or reminding him to do something for you. Maybe reminding him that you exist in case he forgot.
For me a authentic religious person is one is prayerful 24/7 and not one who prays over and over or needs some special church, mosque, temple or synagogue in order to communicate with his God. He does not have to bend in a particular way or fold his hands or make a sign in order to show God that he is praying to him.
What an objective approach! I'm amazed! All your observations are wrong. Maybe you are vomiting your hate, I don't know. You are just broadcasting towards the space in an indefinite frequency, you are just talking.
You are using question marks many times while typing. If you had questions, you could ask in a proper way, before you crossed the line.
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By calling someone's practices stupid, you are indeed passing judgment on them. You've been called on this deliberate blind spot of your over and over again.
-Bruce
Let him ask himself why is it necessary to follow some ritual or is he doing it blindly.
Just as I predicted, you won't take responsibility for the damage you inflict.
And this is way off topic anyway.
-Bruce
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"Faith is Action, Based upon Belief, Sustained by Confidence in God's Word and His promise to perform it" ---Dr. Gene Scott
"If you have a God given talent, that is God’s gift to you. If you use that
talent, that is your gift to God." -- Red Skelton
"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -- Nathaniel Branden
Just like it was your choice to marry, in your tradition. Don't tell people they are blind, unless you take that blindfold off yourself.
Lea, why is it that Jesus called the pharisees and religious people of his day blind and hypocrites? They were not blind or dumb or stupid. They were following their beliefs according to their choice. Who did Jesus refer to as "blind leading the blind?". When he was a kid until the age of 12 he went to the temple with his parents on certain days. At the age of 30 Jesus no longer went to the temple to pray instead he went to the mountains ALONE. He did not observe the Sabbath day which made the religious people angry. Why did he overturn the tables of the moneychangers? They were not blind or stupid and they were doing what they thought the best life possible by making a living there. Jesus could have just given them a small speech and left instead of SHOCKING them by what he did, right?
Here is an illustration: A onion is good in itself. It has its function and usefulness. But if you peel the onion there are many, many layers until you come to a place where there is no more peeling. This is what Jesus refers to as "The Kingdom of God' or "I and my Father are one." This is what Buddha refers to as "Nirvana" and Osho, Sadhguru, Isha and others refer to as "Presence".
Unfortunately, peeling the onion brings tears to many people's eyes that is why Jesus said that only those who have eyes will see and those who have ears will be able to hear. Don't you think that the religious people of that time thought that Jesus was judging them, hurting them with his words? He was doing the job of peeling the onions and those who do not like it will say it is judging and hurting.
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“The One we are waiting for and the One we have been looking for is already here, and has been for a long time. You are the spiritual being you have been searching to find.” ---Dr. John-Roger
Lea, why is it that Jesus called the pharisees and religious people of his day blind and hypocrites? They were not blind or dumb or stupid. They were following their beliefs according to their choice. Who did Jesus refer to as "blind leading the blind?". When he was a kid until the age of 12 he went to the temple with his parents on certain days. At the age of 30 Jesus no longer went to the temple to pray instead he went to the mountains ALONE. He did not observe the Sabbath day which made the religious people angry. Why did he overturn the tables of the moneychangers? They were not blind or stupid and they were doing what they thought the best life possible by making a living there. Jesus could have just given them a small speech and left instead of SHOCKING them by what he did, right?
One... Why do you insist on making up stuff and saying its in the Bible. Can you provide a reference that says "Jesus no longer went to the temple to pray"?
No you can't... You make stuff up, or you believe other people without fact checking.
Much of what you say here is just completely false. Where do you get your info?
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One... Why do you insist on making up stuff and saying its in the Bible. Can you provide a reference that says "Jesus no longer went to the temple to pray"?
No you can't... You make stuff up, or you believe other people without fact checking.
Much of what you say here is just completely false. Where do you get your info?
From what I remember Jesus went to the mountains to pray and there is no reference that he continued to go to the temples except perhaps that time when he overturned the moneychangers. It is my OWN understanding that he felt more closer and connected when he was alone in the mountains. It is just common sense for me. Being alone and silent helps you to be more silent and still and connected, don't you think so? This is why many people like praying at night or in privacy.
It is also my OWN understanding that he did not need to observe the Sabbath because as he said his Father is always working and he was doing the work of the Father. He is showing that God does not need to rest. It was a law created for the people so that for one day a person can rest and be in-tune with God. It is also the same with fasting. God does not need to compel you to fast but it was created as a blessing so that for one day or 40 days you will give your physical body a rest.
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“The One we are waiting for and the One we have been looking for is already here, and has been for a long time. You are the spiritual being you have been searching to find.” ---Dr. John-Roger
One... Why do you insist on making up stuff and saying its in the Bible. Can you provide a reference that says "Jesus no longer went to the temple to pray"?
No you can't... You make stuff up, or you believe other people without fact checking.
Much of what you say here is just completely false. Where do you get your info?
From what I remember Jesus went to the mountains to pray and there is no reference that he continued to go to the temples except perhaps that time when he overturned the moneychangers. It is my OWN understanding that he felt more closer and connected when he was alone in the mountains. It is just common sense for me.
Ok... thats better... Its your own understanding, and not actually whats in the Bible.
(Most reference to Jesus and the mountains involve other people, and on at least one occasion there was a crowd he was preaching to. The few times Jesus and and a temple are mentioned does not imply that that "Jesus no longer went to a temple to pray". At best its foolish logic, and at worst its heresy when you add stuff to the Bible that isnt there.
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Just like it was your choice to marry, in your tradition. Don't tell people they are blind, unless you take that blindfold off yourself.
Lea, why is it that Jesus called the pharisees and religious people of his day blind and hypocrites? They were not blind or dumb or stupid. They were following their beliefs according to their choice.
Oh brother, talk about trying to justify your own actions. This has absolutely nothing to do with the situation you're trying to pin it on. Once again, you're interpretation of the Bible to real life, is totally perverted. It would be much more accurate to apply this Biblical situation to your behavior.
-Bruce
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"Faith is Action, Based upon Belief, Sustained by Confidence in God's Word and His promise to perform it" ---Dr. Gene Scott
"If you have a God given talent, that is God’s gift to you. If you use that
talent, that is your gift to God." -- Red Skelton
"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -- Nathaniel Branden












Just swap the Quran for beer and they would be really happy students…
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